11/04/13

Insects and other foods the trout
should be eating:
Hatching:
1.     Slate Drakes
2.     Little Yellow Stoneflies
3.     Needle Stoneflies
4.     Mahogany Duns
5.     Little Yellow Quills
6.     Great Autumn Brown Sedges
7.     Blue-winged Olives

Most available - Other types of food:
8.     Sculpin, Minnows (Streamers)



Fishing Report
The following is a fishing report I received for Derek Porter on a 3 day trip they
made recently on Deep Creek:
Thanks, Derek

Hi James - we had a great time on Deep Creek. The trees were peaking and pretty
but we dealt with a lot of leaves in the water and pooled up along the banks. The
browns were definitely out from their hiding spots.  We saw the biggest fish I've
ever seen in the smokies.  I did not see any redds or spawning activity.

Even though we had some decent cloud cover each day and it was warm, we
never saw any intense hatches other than cream midges.  A few sporadic
Blue-winged Olives We did see quit a few autumn brown sedges in the air each
day.  Even in the am before noon.  In fact I caught a lot of rainbows on the Perfect
Fly Great Autumn Brown Pupa in the faster water.  

The water was very low and clear.  It really made it hard to fish the bigger pools
without spooking them.  It was a great place to look at fish like going to the
aquarium but our best luck was had when we could find a large pocket where the
water was knee deep or more. And those spots were few and far between.

We used the bwo nymphs in the morning and then moved over to the bwo
emergers and duns. Then finished the day with bwo nymphs and autumn brown
pupa.  I also hung a cream midge pupa off a dry and quickly caught several with
that.  They were all smaller (bigger fish still focused on bigger food?) so I took it off
and changed to caddis pupa which did start bringing in larger fish. (would love
your thought on that - was it just more coincidence/where i was fishing or would it
really be that only the small fish are gonna feed on midges right now?)

On Monday the water temp was 49 at 2pm. I didn't have any luck with dries when
we started fishing at 2pm so we stuck with nymphs that day till dark. On Tuesday
and Wednesday water temp was 51 and 52 in the morning. I never checked it in
the afternoons.  We never really had that much sun breaking through.  I would
have figured we would be choking on bwos with those conditions but it did not
happen. We saw a lot more bwo hatch on Forney at this time last year.

Monday we fished from campsite 59 McCracken branch to about .25 mile past 58
Nicks Nest.

Tuesday we walked back down to 60 Bumgardner Branch and fished the creek
through the Bumgardner bend. That was a long day. We had foolishly hoped we
could cover all the water back to 59 (probably 3 miles) but we had to jump out
when it got dark and walk back about .8 miles to camp.  At least we got though the
bend and made it to where the trail was close to the creek.

On Wednesday we broke camp and hiked back down to 60 and then walked down
about .3 mile below the Jenkins Place Bridge and fished back up to 60. That's
probably about 1.2 miles of water.

I wish we had 2 more days.  We didn't get much past bridge creek on Tuesday.
There is over a mile of water we left between where stopped to McCracken.  Looks
like there are some nice spots in there.  Also on Monday we turned around at dusk
at a pool .25 mile above nicks nest where I caught what turned out to be the nicest
fish of the trip - a 15" inch brown on bwo nymph.
I'd like to fish on through the Bryson place area up to Pole rd creek as well.

One of the browns I caught was practically silver with grey spots.  Very different
from what I'm used too.

In general - the numbers of fish caught was down from Forney last fall but we
caught some bigger fish.  It seemed that we had a lot of low, wide braided/rocky
spots that the fish were not in and then the huge pools were very difficult to fish
with the low clear water.  Finding the deep spots in the bigger runs was the trick.

Which parts of deep creek have you spent time on?  We never fished the lower
section below Indian creek. It was dark as we walked out Wednesday night.

I also never saw any slate drakes husks on the rocks. On Wednesday evening
around 6:15 pm as we got back to the nice pool at camp 60, I saw a bunch of bugs
floating on the water along the bank. There were hundreds.  At first I thought "bwo
spinner fall".  I reached down and scooped a few up and they actually looked like
flying ants/termites.  They were small like a 18, but the body was black and shiny. I
think it only had 2 body parts so I guess that means termite. Is it normal for
termites to hatch this time of year and do they die over the water?

My Comment: I am almost sure those were flying ants. I have seen them fall in the
Smokies like that four or five times. They usually fall in Sept. and October but may
fall even later. One day Angie and I were fishing with the great bass legend Tom
Mann on Lake Eufaula back up a small creek off the lake when flying ants fell and
covered the bottom of the bass boat solid. They covered us. There were hundreds
in the boat, all dieing. Bream went crazy. I think and this is guessing, they fall on
the water because they tend to fall in the bright sunlight rather than the shade of
trees in the forest.

Do the bwo bodies turn to a hard shiny black as they become spinners?
My Comment: No, BWO spinners are usually rusty brown. Some have half clear
bodies called Jenny spinners. That sounds like Tricos you spotted. Some streams
have a few Tricos but usually they are not very plentiful except in isolated areas.
They run size 18 to 20s.

David was working ahead of me. He said he saw surface activity when he got to
the pool and he caught a few on the bwo dun.  By the time I caught up to him he
had worked to the head of the pool where the faster water was coming in and
nothing was happening where these bugs were pooling up.

I see the photo you have on the site of the bwo spinner next to the coin and this
looked nothing like it.  I think we witnessed the gsmnp termite/flying ant hatch/fall
but I don't understand why so many would have died over the water.
Comment: I've seen them do that many times at other trout streams. I caught
several very large browns in Yellowstone Park (slow moving Lewis River) one day
on a large flying ant fall. It is really not uncommon but I have never been able to
determine when in less than a 3 or 4 month time period. Just always have a few
imitations in your box and you will be in good shape.


I should of taken a picture but didn't. We also found an old style chain link fish
stringer at camp 60. The type with the giant metal clips that you clip through the
fish. We packed it out so that nobody else could use it. I hate to think of someone
dragging some powerbait, corn, and worms through that hole. They could
probably clean it out in an afternoon. Hopefully they were unable to hook any trout
to it and left it there in disgust!



Note: Flies Derek used:
Blue winged Olives:
Great Autumn Brown sedges:
Cream  Midges: larva
Cream Midges: pupa
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